public beta

Hi, will ther be a public beta or CTP fpr Vista or do we need to subscribe to MSDN?
Thanks
Thomas

There may well be a public beta - if it ever reaches "Beta 2", not sure but there was word some time back (last year) that there will be a public beta.
Just sit tight and hope for the best!
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In an interview, Jim Allchin said the plan is for a CPP release in April.
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

There may well be a public beta - if it ever reaches "Beta 2", not sure but there was word some time back (last year) that there will be a public beta.
Just sit tight and hope for the best!
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ahh, no, the plan is to have two phases of Beta 2, an Enterprise Community Technology Preview in the first Quarter in April then a Consumer Community Technology Preview in the second Quarter under which there will be a CPP of 2 million testers. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"M. Murcek" wrote in message

In an interview, Jim Allchin said the plan is for a CPP release in April.
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message There may well be a public beta - if it ever reaches "Beta 2", not sure but there was word some time back (last year) that there will be a public beta.
Just sit tight and hope for the best!
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How are the 2 million testers selected? I certainly would like to have the opportunity.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

ahh, no, the plan is to have two phases of Beta 2, an Enterprise Community Technology Preview in the first Quarter in April then a Consumer Community Technology Preview in the second Quarter under which there will be a CPP of 2 million testers. --

CPP?
Please expand all acronyms the first time used.
DSH
"Boskey" wrote in message

How are the 2 million testers selected? I certainly would like to have the opportunity.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
ahh, no, the plan is to have two phases of Beta 2, an Enterprise Community Technology Preview in the first Quarter in April then a Consumer Community Technology Preview in the second Quarter under which there will be a CPP of 2 million testers.

CPP - Customer Preview Program -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

CPP?
Please expand all acronyms the first time used.
DSH
"Boskey" wrote in message
How are the 2 million testers selected? I certainly would like to have the opportunity.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
ahh, no, the plan is to have two phases of Beta 2, an Enterprise Community Technology Preview in the first Quarter in April then a Consumer Community Technology Preview in the second Quarter under which there will be a CPP of 2 million testers.

I think this is just an assumption of the downloads they are prepping for when its publicly available. It will be available on some download site at Microsoft.com -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Boskey" wrote in message

How are the 2 million testers selected? I certainly would like to have the opportunity.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message ahh, no, the plan is to have two phases of Beta 2, an Enterprise Community Technology Preview in the first Quarter in April then a Consumer Community Technology Preview in the second Quarter under which there will be a CPP of 2 million testers. --

Thanks.
DSH ---------------------
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message

CPP - Customer Preview Program
CPP?
Please expand all acronyms the first time used.
DSH
ahh, no, the plan is to have two phases of Beta 2, an Enterprise Community Technology Preview in the first Quarter in April then a Consumer Community Technology Preview in the second Quarter under which there will be a CPP of 2 million testers.

You are welcome. :) -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

Thanks.
DSH ---------------------
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message
CPP - Customer Preview Program
CPP?
Please expand all acronyms the first time used.
DSH
ahh, no, the plan is to have two phases of Beta 2, an Enterprise Community Technology Preview in the first Quarter in April then a Consumer Community Technology Preview in the second Quarter under which there will be a CPP of 2 million testers.

Thank you for the information.
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message

I think this is just an assumption of the downloads they are prepping for when its publicly available. It will be available on some download site at Microsoft.com

You are welcome, please not though, its always subject to change. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Boskey" wrote in message

Thank you for the information.
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message I think this is just an assumption of the downloads they are prepping for when its publicly available. It will be available on some download site at Microsoft.com

msdn is not the only way to get vista, there is also technet, and microsoft connect. also, there are several websites that are recruiting testers, http://microsoft.order-4.com/windowsvistabeta/ this is one of these sites, and has been confirmed legit by paul donnelly [ms]
there will probably be more slots open for this beta when the next build comes out, but dont quote me on this, its not a promise i can make. good luck to all potential beta testers. ben baker
"Thomas Elser" wrote in message

Hi, will ther be a public beta or CTP fpr Vista or do we need to subscribe to MSDN?
Thanks
Thomas

Thanks for the information, but I found it does indicate a Technical Beta Program Nomination Code is needed after I entered my information. To get this code, it appears a membership is required.
wrote in message

msdn is not the only way to get vista, there is also technet, and microsoft connect. also, there are several websites that are recruiting testers, http://microsoft.order-4.com/windowsvistabeta/ this is one of these sites, and has been confirmed legit by paul donnelly [ms]
there will probably be more slots open for this beta when the next build comes out, but dont quote me on this, its not a promise i can make. good luck to all potential beta testers. ben baker

invitation code not a membership code
-- Peter
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"Boskey" wrote in message

Thanks for the information, but I found it does indicate a Technical Beta Program Nomination Code is needed after I entered my information. To get this code, it appears a membership is required.
bbaker@ilrcsudbury.ca> wrote in message msdn is not the only way to get vista, there is also technet, and microsoft connect. also, there are several websites that are recruiting testers, http://microsoft.order-4.com/windowsvistabeta/ this is one of these sites, and has been confirmed legit by paul donnelly [ms]
there will probably be more slots open for this beta when the next build comes out, but dont quote me on this, its not a promise i can make. good luck to all potential beta testers. ben baker

I fully understand the difference. "Technical Beta Program: If you don’t have access to the CTP builds through your MSDN or TechNet subscriptions, you can register for the builds here. For those of you that have a CTP Technical Beta nomination code, we are reviewing*, and in most cases accepting, your requests to participate in the Technical Beta program..." taken from http://microsoft.order-4.com/windowsvistabeta/ As I mentioned, type in your information to register and it requires an invitation code, which appears to be obtainable IF you have a subscription.
"Peter Foldes" wrote in message invitation code not a membership code
-- Peter

your right, but you can get the invitation code by sending an email request, to the right people, cant tell you who that is, but if you look around enough youll find the info you need. check out connect.microsoft.com and look for any email addresses of people on the beta team, if they decide to give you an invite, they can. if your name is verbatim you are not welcome otherwise good luck to the rest of you

"Boskey" wrote in message

I fully understand the difference. "Technical Beta Program: If you don't have access to the CTP builds through your MSDN or TechNet subscriptions, you can register for the builds here. For those of you that have a CTP Technical Beta nomination code, we are reviewing*, and in most cases accepting, your requests to participate in the Technical Beta program..." taken from http://microsoft.order-4.com/windowsvistabeta/ As I mentioned, type in your information to register and it requires an invitation code, which appears to be obtainable IF you have a subscription.
"Peter Foldes" wrote in message invitation code not a membership code
-- Peter

http://microsoft.order-4.com/windowsvistabeta/
try this code 85894

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http://microsoft.order-4.com/windowsvistabeta/
try this code 85894
Thank you, I'll give it a try.

tried :), hope i get accepted, already in the windows LIVE beta team :) and i love it!
"Boskey" wrote:

bbaker@ilrcsudbury.ca> wrote in message http://microsoft.order-4.com/windowsvistabeta/
try this code 85894
Thank you, I'll give it a try.

Thanks man. I did the beta test of 64bit and I loved it and I hope that I can get Vista now. I did a beta test of XP Pro and then 64bit and now I would love to get working on this version. This is one reason why I did a custom PC so that I have a setup right for beta testing with suppliers that work great with MS and drivers.

well, i hope to start seeing you guys in the posts in the non-public newsgroups.


"Neal" wrote in message

Thanks man. I did the beta test of 64bit and I loved it and I hope that I can get Vista now. I did a beta test of XP Pro and then 64bit and now I would love to get working on this version. This is one reason why I did a custom PC so that I have a setup right for beta testing with suppliers that work great with MS and drivers.

hope this works, if it doesnt you all know how to send emails

"Boskey" wrote in message

bbaker@ilrcsudbury.ca> wrote in message http://microsoft.order-4.com/windowsvistabeta/
try this code 85894
Thank you, I'll give it a try.

I hope so to. I just not have recieved anything as of yet. But who knows how long it will take.
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well, i hope to start seeing you guys in the posts in the non-public newsgroups.


"Neal" wrote in message Thanks man. I did the beta test of 64bit and I loved it and I hope that I can get Vista now. I did a beta test of XP Pro and then 64bit and now I would love to get working on this version. This is one reason why I did a custom PC so that I have a setup right for beta testing with suppliers that work great with MS and drivers.

When will more public betas be available and how can you get them if you haven't ever filled out any beta forms whatsoever?

The April CTP will be available under the Customer Preview Program. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Michael Mar." wrote in message

When will more public betas be available and how can you get them if you haven't ever filled out any beta forms whatsoever?

Andre; You state that as fact, do you have a Microsoft source or is that a guess?
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

The April CTP will be available under the Customer Preview Program. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Michael Mar." wrote in message When will more public betas be available and how can you get them if you haven't ever filled out any beta forms whatsoever?

Yes, his name is Jim Allchin The next quarter starts in April - http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=177104675 -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message

Andre; You state that as fact, do you have a Microsoft source or is that a guess?
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message The April CTP will be available under the Customer Preview Program. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Michael Mar." wrote in message When will more public betas be available and how can you get them if you haven't ever filled out any beta forms whatsoever?

Like Neowin with their interview that there will be 6 versions of Vista? Not counting the 2 N versions <s>
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"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Yes, his name is Jim Allchin The next quarter starts in April - http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=177104675 -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; You state that as fact, do you have a Microsoft source or is that a guess?
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message The April CTP will be available under the Customer Preview Program. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Michael Mar." wrote in message When will more public betas be available and how can you get them if you haven't ever filled out any beta forms whatsoever?

"Peter Foldes" wrote in message news:OKmfZMQPGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl

Like Neowin with their interview that there will be 6 versions of Vista? Not counting the 2 N versions <s

Windows Vista Versions http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/versions/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE "Anyone who prefers security over freedom deserves neither."

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message news:%23o4CgIPPGHA.648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl

Yes, his name is Jim Allchin The next quarter starts in April - http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=177104675

and ends in June.
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE "Anyone who prefers security over freedom deserves neither."

I have and saw those links Frank the day of release. I was only making a sarcastic comment to a post a few days ago on Vista versions that was posted by someone giving the versions that neowin posted on their site
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"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message

"Peter Foldes" wrote in message news:OKmfZMQPGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl Like Neowin with their interview that there will be 6 versions of Vista? Not counting the 2 N versions <s
Windows Vista Versions http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/versions/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE "Anyone who prefers security over freedom deserves neither."

Overall, they released 5 editions, however I reckon there'll be 8 at least. Let me throw some logic in this one - obviously the first 5, but then there's Starter 2007 which is the sixth, and I bet there'll be at least two "N" editions for the EU countries, of which I'm betting Home Premium and Business :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message

"Peter Foldes" wrote in message news:OKmfZMQPGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl Like Neowin with their interview that there will be 6 versions of Vista? Not counting the 2 N versions <s
Windows Vista Versions http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/versions/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE "Anyone who prefers security over freedom deserves neither."

Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:

Overall, they released 5 editions, however I reckon there'll be 8 at least. Let me throw some logic in this one - obviously the first 5, but then there's Starter 2007 which is the sixth, and I bet there'll be at least two "N" editions for the EU countries, of which I'm betting Home Premium and Business :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message "Peter Foldes" wrote in message news:OKmfZMQPGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl Like Neowin with their interview that there will be 6 versions of Vista? Not counting the 2 N versions <s
Windows Vista Versions http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/versions/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE "Anyone who prefers security over freedom deserves neither."

The N versions will have a near zero install base. They exist for political reasons only. While the Euro one world governement has demanded that Microsoft come out with N versions, you don't actually think any European is dumb enough to actuall install them? Last I heard the European OEMs simply do not use the N versions.

RC1 then. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message news:%23o4CgIPPGHA.648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl Yes, his name is Jim Allchin The next quarter starts in April - http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=177104675
and ends in June.
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE "Anyone who prefers security over freedom deserves neither."

No, it was announced on this page: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
Only Home Basic N and Business N for Vista will be available in Europe. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

Overall, they released 5 editions, however I reckon there'll be 8 at least. Let me throw some logic in this one - obviously the first 5, but then there's Starter 2007 which is the sixth, and I bet there'll be at least two "N" editions for the EU countries, of which I'm betting Home Premium and Business :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message "Peter Foldes" wrote in message news:OKmfZMQPGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl Like Neowin with their interview that there will be 6 versions of Vista? Not counting the 2 N versions <s
Windows Vista Versions http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/versions/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE "Anyone who prefers security over freedom deserves neither."

Wow I didn't know it was announced... still not too far off though :o) Yeh I agree that it's only there for political reasons, however it's no real water off their backs is it to develop a non-WMP version of Vista.
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

No, it was announced on this page: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
Only Home Basic N and Business N for Vista will be available in Europe. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Overall, they released 5 editions, however I reckon there'll be 8 at least. Let me throw some logic in this one - obviously the first 5, but then there's Starter 2007 which is the sixth, and I bet there'll be at least two "N" editions for the EU countries, of which I'm betting Home Premium and Business :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message "Peter Foldes" wrote in message news:OKmfZMQPGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl Like Neowin with their interview that there will be 6 versions of Vista? Not counting the 2 N versions <s
Windows Vista Versions http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/versions/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE "Anyone who prefers security over freedom deserves neither."

It's still silly though - even from living in the EU, they just want to be petty...
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Its not there for political reasons, Vista N editions are available for economical reasons, providing third party software vendors the opportunities to compete fairly with Microsofts technologies and services. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Wow I didn't know it was announced... still not too far off though :o) Yeh I agree that it's only there for political reasons, however it's no real water off their backs is it to develop a non-WMP version of Vista.
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message No, it was announced on this page: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
Only Home Basic N and Business N for Vista will be available in Europe. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Overall, they released 5 editions, however I reckon there'll be 8 at least. Let me throw some logic in this one - obviously the first 5, but then there's Starter 2007 which is the sixth, and I bet there'll be at least two "N" editions for the EU countries, of which I'm betting Home Premium and Business :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message "Peter Foldes" wrote in message news:OKmfZMQPGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl Like Neowin with their interview that there will be 6 versions of Vista? Not counting the 2 N versions <s
Windows Vista Versions http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/versions/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
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Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: | Its not there for political reasons, Vista N editions are available for | economical reasons, providing third party software vendors the | opportunities to compete fairly with Microsofts technologies and services. | -- || Wow I didn't know it was announced... still not too far off though :o) || Yeh I agree that it's only there for political reasons, however it's no || real water off their backs is it to develop a non-WMP version of Vista. || || -- || Zack Whittaker
Nope. It's political. No one wants it save some EU commission. The OEMs don't care for it [last I heard all of hardly any were installing it]. The consumers don't want it. It's a waste of of time imposed on Microsoft and their customers by a bunch of euro-ninnies.
For those of you stuck with N, you can download Windows Media Player here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/alldownloads.aspx

I did not know that UK was under EU. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

It's still silly though - even from living in the EU, they just want to be petty...
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Its not there for political reasons, Vista N editions are available for economical reasons, providing third party software vendors the opportunities to compete fairly with Microsofts technologies and services. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Wow I didn't know it was announced... still not too far off though :o) Yeh I agree that it's only there for political reasons, however it's no real water off their backs is it to develop a non-WMP version of Vista.
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message No, it was announced on this page: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
Only Home Basic N and Business N for Vista will be available in Europe. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Overall, they released 5 editions, however I reckon there'll be 8 at least. Let me throw some logic in this one - obviously the first 5, but then there's Starter 2007 which is the sixth, and I bet there'll be at least two "N" editions for the EU countries, of which I'm betting Home Premium and Business :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message "Peter Foldes" wrote in message news:OKmfZMQPGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl Like Neowin with their interview that there will be 6 versions of Vista? Not counting the 2 N versions <s
Windows Vista Versions http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/versions/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
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Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

I did not know that UK was under EU.

Only for the last 30 years, keeping it quiet for the time being. How's President Ford making out these days?

"The Scientist" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: I did not know that UK was under EU.
Only for the last 30 years, keeping it quiet for the time being. How's President Ford making out these days?

Actually he's not doing too good what with his stroke and all. Once a person has been elected President, he's addressed as President for the rest of his life.
Tom Lake

Tom Lake wrote:

"The Scientist" wrote in message Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: I did not know that UK was under EU.
Only for the last 30 years, keeping it quiet for the time being. How's President Ford making out these days?
Actually he's not doing too good what with his stroke and all. Once a person has been elected President, he's addressed as President for the rest of his life.

So I've heard. I always thought, in order to avoid confusion, it would make sense to bar anybody from office who had the same surname as a surviving president.

Actually he's not doing too good what with his stroke and all. Once a person has been elected President, he's addressed as President for the rest of his life.
So I've heard. I always thought, in order to avoid confusion, it would make sense to bar anybody from office who had the same surname as a surviving president.

We could have used that rule recently!
Tom L

Wednesday April 12th, 2006 is the currently scheduled release date for the General Public (Beta 2).
"Michael Mar." wrote in message

When will more public betas be available and how can you get them if you haven't ever filled out any beta forms whatsoever?

Kevin
Would you stop posting this continuously. You are beating a dead horse.
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"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

Wednesday April 12th, 2006 is the currently scheduled release date for the General Public (Beta 2).
"Michael Mar." wrote in message When will more public betas be available and how can you get them if you haven't ever filled out any beta forms whatsoever?

So why don't they stop using Pounds and start using EU dollars. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"The Scientist" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: I did not know that UK was under EU.
Only for the last 30 years, keeping it quiet for the time being. How's President Ford making out these days?

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

So why don't they stop using Pounds and start using EU dollars.

It's not compulsory and although we are happy to gain the economic benefits of membership we are still an island race. There are good reasons for embracing the Euro but politically it is very contentious. For many our currency is a symbol of our Britishness along with driving on the left, wearing socks with sandals and using deodorant.

"The Scientist" wrote in message Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: I did not know that UK was under EU.
Only for the last 30 years, keeping it quiet for the time being. How's President Ford making out these days?

The Scientist wrote: | Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: || So why don't they stop using Pounds and start using EU dollars. | | It's not compulsory and although we are happy to gain the economic | benefits of membership we are still an island race. There are good | reasons for embracing the Euro but politically it is very contentious. | For many our currency is a symbol of our Britishness along with driving | on the left, wearing socks with sandals and using deodorant. |
What is the currency in Britian? Are the notes and coins in Euros or pounds ... or do both circulate?? Thnx

But of course :o) We're one of the G7 superpowers, of course we'll be under the EU lot :op
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I did not know that UK was under EU. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message It's still silly though - even from living in the EU, they just want to be petty...
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Its not there for political reasons, Vista N editions are available for economical reasons, providing third party software vendors the opportunities to compete fairly with Microsofts technologies and services. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Wow I didn't know it was announced... still not too far off though :o) Yeh I agree that it's only there for political reasons, however it's no real water off their backs is it to develop a non-WMP version of Vista.
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message No, it was announced on this page: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
Only Home Basic N and Business N for Vista will be available in Europe. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Overall, they released 5 editions, however I reckon there'll be 8 at least. Let me throw some logic in this one - obviously the first 5, but then there's Starter 2007 which is the sixth, and I bet there'll be at least two "N" editions for the EU countries, of which I'm betting Home Premium and Business :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message "Peter Foldes" wrote in message news:OKmfZMQPGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl Like Neowin with their interview that there will be 6 versions of Vista? Not counting the 2 N versions <s
Windows Vista Versions http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/versions/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/feb06/02-26WinVistaProductsPR.mspx
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE "Anyone who prefers security over freedom deserves neither."

Because nobody in England want's it basically. We've all become accustom to GBP and it's nice and simple - we all know that a loaf of decent bread costs 56p and a pint of milk costs round about 29p - so why bother screwing things up?
We're a bit of a "rebel nation" ;o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

So why don't they stop using Pounds and start using EU dollars. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"The Scientist" wrote in message Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: I did not know that UK was under EU.
Only for the last 30 years, keeping it quiet for the time being. How's President Ford making out these days?

Socks and sandals? :-o Nobody under the age of 70 would do that!! And although there is 21 miles between the UK and France, that 21 miles really divides deodorant wearers and non-deodorant wearers ;o)
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--- Original message follows --- "The Scientist" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: So why don't they stop using Pounds and start using EU dollars.
It's not compulsory and although we are happy to gain the economic benefits of membership we are still an island race. There are good reasons for embracing the Euro but politically it is very contentious. For many our currency is a symbol of our Britishness along with driving on the left, wearing socks with sandals and using deodorant.
"The Scientist" wrote in message Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: I did not know that UK was under EU.
Only for the last 30 years, keeping it quiet for the time being. How's President Ford making out these days?

Nah, the only legal currency is Great British Pounds (or Pound Stirling... that basically --> £ )
You can use Euro's, but it's up to the person who you're paying on whether to accept it or not :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Infosink" wrote in message

The Scientist wrote: | Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: || So why don't they stop using Pounds and start using EU dollars. | | It's not compulsory and although we are happy to gain the economic | benefits of membership we are still an island race. There are good | reasons for embracing the Euro but politically it is very contentious. | For many our currency is a symbol of our Britishness along with driving | on the left, wearing socks with sandals and using deodorant. |
What is the currency in Britian? Are the notes and coins in Euros or pounds .. or do both circulate?? Thnx

We drive on the left here too in Jamaica, we use to be a British Colony until we gained independed in August of 1962. The Queen is still head of state though. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"The Scientist" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: So why don't they stop using Pounds and start using EU dollars.
It's not compulsory and although we are happy to gain the economic benefits of membership we are still an island race. There are good reasons for embracing the Euro but politically it is very contentious. For many our currency is a symbol of our Britishness along with driving on the left, wearing socks with sandals and using deodorant.
"The Scientist" wrote in message Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: I did not know that UK was under EU.
Only for the last 30 years, keeping it quiet for the time being. How's President Ford making out these days?

Any ideas or guesses when the public beta will be around? Thanks.

Ahh good point Andre... they've pushed back the release date, so does this mean that Beta 2 will be out later? http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/beta/preregister.mspx
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

April or May 2006. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Travis King" wrote in message Any ideas or guesses when the public beta will be around? Thanks.

April or May 2006. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Travis King" wrote in message

Any ideas or guesses when the public beta will be around? Thanks.

BETA is the public BETA, otherwise known as the consumer CTP.. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

Ahh good point Andre... they've pushed back the release date, so does this mean that Beta 2 will be out later? http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/beta/preregister.mspx
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message April or May 2006. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Travis King" wrote in message Any ideas or guesses when the public beta will be around? Thanks.

Go ahead and whine, cry and moan. That's that's the best way I know of to be noticed by the powers that be, and maybe even relieve us of your presense.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

Well I refuse to stop Complaining until Microsoft gives us MSDN Subscriber's Windows Vista Build 5342.
P.S. We were promised that we would get every Build that got released to the Tech Beta Tester's!
"Nancy Ward" wrote in message As Andre said, probably April or May. They've placated the beta testers with this interim build, which is rather nice, by the way, so we'll get off their backs. :-)
"Travis King" wrote in message Any ideas or guesses when the public beta will be around? Thanks.
-- Nancy Ward MVP

-- Nancy Ward MVP

As Andre said, probably April or May. They've placated the beta testers with this interim build, which is rather nice, by the way, so we'll get off their backs. :-)
"Travis King" wrote in message

Any ideas or guesses when the public beta will be around? Thanks.

-- Nancy Ward MVP

Well I refuse to stop Complaining until Microsoft gives us MSDN Subscriber's Windows Vista Build 5342.
P.S. We were promised that we would get every Build that got released to the Tech Beta Tester's!
"Nancy Ward" wrote in message

As Andre said, probably April or May. They've placated the beta testers with this interim build, which is rather nice, by the way, so we'll get off their backs. :-)
"Travis King" wrote in message Any ideas or guesses when the public beta will be around? Thanks.
-- Nancy Ward MVP